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• R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2 CTS4466 200 C.E.
  • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a S1115 200 C.E.
    • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1 A541 200 C.E.
      • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a S1121 200 C.E.
        • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a1 L270/Z16520 850 C.E. remote SULLIVAN
          • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a1? BY29108 2nd mill
        • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2 Y6238/Z16252 450 C.E.
          • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2. Y18975/A9005 1000 C.E.
            • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2.. A6516 2nd mill
              • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1a2... BY99310 unknown L CHRONICANE
      • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b A195 600 C.E.
        • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1 A761
          • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a A88 700 C.E.
            • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a1 Z16259 700 C.E.
              • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a1. A10727 L
              • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a1c A2220
                • R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a3a2a1b1a1c. A7755 L

YFull date estimates change frequently. Check with that lab for the latest date estimates. Otherwise, there is NO real change to data from the 2019 publication. The dataset remains the same.

The Driscolls here fall into R1b subclade R-CTS4466 and also meet the broader definition of the subclade formerly known as South Irish now used in the R-L21 South Irish Project. Newer research hypothesizes that descendant branches of R-CTS4466 moved directly from the Iberian peninsula to Scotland and Northern Ireland.

R-CTS4466 has a major presence in Cork. The last time the Cork Ireland Regional DNA Project charted the haplogroups of its male project members claiming a Cork direct paternal line, R-CTS4466 constituted some 38% of all the men who were chartable. Roughly 20% of Driscoll project members fall or are thought to fall within R-CTS4466.

In 2019, we have identified a third R-CTS4466 branch among our Driscolls, downstream of R-Z16259.

If you are willing to do sufficient STR and SNP testing, please join the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Haplogroup Project.

Several R-CTS4466 Driscolls have been inactive in the project for well over a year. They may bear yet more information but we need more fully active participants. There is too little information on R-CTS4466 Driscolls to draw many conclusions!

R-CTS4466 members are in private project Clusters 4500 - 4565.

Haplotypes Page 1 Back to top

The modal haplotype in the table below is not calculated from the data of active members. It is the Irish Type II modal haplotype borrowed from the Munster Irish project. The project member records are then compared to the broader modal.

The Driscolls in the different subclades of R-CTS4466 most likely obtained their surname in a different way rather than from a single R-CTS4466 man named Driscoll. So a good Irish Type II modal haplotype is the best modal haplotype choice when comparing records.

However, no published Irish Type II modal haplotype out to 561 markers or 838 markers is known to exist. Therefore, the additional haplotype pages will show an extended modal calculated from the active members who have done advanced Big Y testing.

Clicking a cluster label should pop up project notes for that cluster. The cluster labels are tan rows starting with a number. If clicking the row does not work, click the NOTES icon in the toolbar.

Table #1 Haplotypes for R-CTS4466 Driscolls
relative position	1	2	3	4	5-6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14-15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22-25	26	27	28-29	30	31	32	33	34-35	36	37	38	39	40-41	42	43	44	45	46	47	48	49-50	51	52	53	54	55	56	57	58	59	60	61	62	63	64	65	66	67	68	69	70	71	72	73	74	75	76	77	78	79	80	81	82	83	84	85	86	87	88	89	90	91	92	93	94	95	96	97	98	99	100	101	102	103	104	105	106	107	108	109	110	111	relative position
Short Tandem Repeat Markers (STRS)	DYS393	DYS390	DYS19	DYS391	DYS385	DYS426	DYS388	DYS439	DYS389I	DYS392	DYS389II	DYS458	DYS459	DYS455	DYS454	DYS447	DYS437	DYS448	DYS449	DYS464	DYS460	Y-GATA-H4	YCAII	DYS456	DYS607	DYS576	DYS570	CDY	DYS442	DYS438	DYS531	DYS578	DYF395S1	DYS590	DYS537	DYS641	DYS472	DYF406S1	DYS511	DYS425	DYS413	DYS557	DYS594	DYS436	DYS490	DYS534	DYS450	DYS444	DYS481	DYS520	DYS446	DYS617	DYS568	DYS487	DYS572	DYS640	DYS492	DYS565	DYS710	DYS485	DYS632	DYS495	DYS540	DYS714	DYS716	DYS717	DYS505	DYS556	DYS549	DYS589	DYS522	DYS494	DYS533	DYS636	DYS575	DYS638	DYS462	DYS452	DYS445	Y-GATA-A10	DYS463	DYS441	Y-GGAAT-1B07	DYS525	DYS712	DYS593	DYS650	DYS532	DYS715	DYS504	DYS513	DYS561	DYS552	DYS726	DYS635	DYS587	DYS643	DYS497	DYS510	DYS434	DYS461	DYS435	Short Tandem Repeat Markers (STRS)
member #	Marker Speed (Mutation Rate) Color Codes: X-Slow Slow Slow-Medium Medium Fast-Medium Fast X-Fast Unknown																																																																member #
MODAL	13	24	14	10	11-15	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	15	15	18	17	36-37	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	21	15	19	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	MODAL
4550. R-CTS4466 > A541 > S1121 > Z16251 > L270/Z16520 > BY29108 4550. R-CTS4466 > A541 > S1121 > Z16251 > L270/Z16520 > BY29108
66957373 R-BY29108	13	24	14	10	11-16	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	25	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	15	15	19	17	36-38	12	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-25	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	23	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	34	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	19	14	24	17	12	15	25	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	66957373 R-BY29108
4555. R-CTS4466 > A541 > S1121 > Z16252 > A9005 > A6516 > BY99310 (Chronichain) 4555. R-CTS4466 > A541 > S1121 > Z16252 > A9005 > A6516 > BY99310 (Chronichain)
12710740 R-BY99310	13	24	14	10	11-16	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10-10	11	11	24	14	19	29	15-15-16-16-17-17	11	11	19-21	16	15	18	17	36-36-36	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	15	10	12	12	15	8	12	23	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	34	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	15	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	21	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	12710740 R-BY99310
31198509 R-M269	13	24	14	10	11-16	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10-10	11	11	24	14	19	29	15-15-16-16-17-17	11	11	19-21	16	15	18	17	36-36-36	14	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	15	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	33	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	15	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	21	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	31198509 R-M269
47034272 R-M269	13	24	14	10	11-16	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	14	19	29	15-15-16-17	11	11	19-21	16	15	18	17	36-36	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	15	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	33	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	15	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	21	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	47034272 R-M269
47173224 R-M269	13	24	14	11	11-16	12	12	11	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	14	19	29	15-15-16-17	11	12	19-21	16	15	18	17	36-36	13	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	15	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	33	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	15	12	11	9	13	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	20	15	21	14	24	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	47173224 R-M269
4560. R-CTS4466 > A195 > A88 > Z16259 > A10727 4560. R-CTS4466 > A195 > A88 > Z16259 > A10727
54332621 R-A10727	13	24	14	9	11-15	12	12	11	13	13	29	16	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	14-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	16	15	18	16	36-38	12	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	16	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	15	12	23	26	19	12	11	13	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	21	15	19	14	25	16	12	15	24	12	24	19	10	14	18	8	12	11	54332621 R-A10727
4565. R-CTS4466 > A195 > A88 > Z16259 > A7755 (Páirc) 4565. R-CTS4466 > A195 > A88 > Z16259 > A7755 (Páirc)
70045411 R-M269	13	24	14	10	10-16	12	12	12	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	12	19-23	16	15	18	17	36-40	12	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	12	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	24	15	19	14	25	16	12	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	70045411 R-M269
39499302 R-A7755	13	24	14	10	11-16	12	12	12	13	13	29	17	9-10	11	11	24	15	19	29	15-15-17-17	11	12	19-23	16	14	19	17	36-39	12	12	11	9	15-16	8	10	10	8	10	10	12	23-23	16	10	12	12	15	8	12	22	20	13	12	11	13	11	11	12	11	35	15	9	16	12	25	26	19	12	11	12	12	11	9	12	11	10	11	11	30	12	13	24	13	10	10	25	15	19	14	25	15	13	15	24	12	24	18	10	14	18	9	12	11	39499302 R-A7755
member #	Distance from Modal Color Codes: Zero One Two Three+ No-Read																																																																member #

Genetic Distance Back to top

Since the modal is now a broader R-CTS4466 modal haplotype rather than a project-calculated data, individual members will overall show a slightly greater distance from that modal. The first tester after MODAL is in the Beara Driscoll/Sullivan group. Cluster 4550 has Driscoll matches who are not actively participating. Cluster 4555 members are Chronicane Driscolls (Sherkin Island and Ardfield). We see extra copies on more than one multi-copy marker in some Chronicane data. The software used to calculate Genetic Distance now counts the occurrence of extra copies on multi-copy markers DYS459, DYS464, and CDY as one mutation. The rationale for this is in Part III of the tutorial, discussed under palindromic multi-copy markers. Hopefully this yields a more realistic Genetic Distance. Refer also to "Genetic Distance" in the haplogroup help guide.

Genetic Distance Color Key Very Tightly Related Tightly Related Related Probably Related Possibly Related Not Related FTDNA's Measures of Relatedness

Very Tightly Related Tightly Related Related Probably Related Possibly Related Not Related Genetic Distances of R-CTS4466 Driscolls 111 Markers ID MODAL 66957373   R-BY29108 12710740   R-BY99310 31198509   R-M269 47034272   R-M269 47173224   R-M269 54332621   R-A10727 70045411   R-M269 39499302   R-A7755 MODAL 111 12 14 16 14 16 15 13 17 66957373 R-BY29108 12 111 17 19 19 21 21 18 20 12710740 R-BY99310 14 17 111 2 3 5 26 22 26 31198509 R-M269 16 19 2 111 3 5 26 22 26 47034272 R-M269 14 19 3 3 111 2 26 22 26 47173224 R-M269 16 21 5 5 2 111 28 22 26 54332621 R-A10727 15 21 26 26 26 28 111 19 23 70045411 R-M269 13 18 22 22 22 22 19 111 7 39499302 R-A7755 17 20 26 26 26 26 23 7 111

TMRCA Table Back to top

TMRCA for R-CTS4466 Driscolls Experimental
ID	MODAL	66957373   R-BY29108	12710740   R-BY99310	31198509   R-M269	47034272   R-M269	47173224   R-M269	54332621   R-A10727	70045411   R-M269	39499302   R-A7755
MODAL	111	14-35	17-40	20-45	17-40	20-45	18-42	15-37	21-47
66957373 R-BY29108	14-35	111	21-47	25-52	25-52	28-57	28-57	23-49	26-54
12710740 R-BY99310	17-40	21-47	111	1-11	2-13	4-18	37-70	30-59	37-70
31198509 R-M269	20-45	25-52	1-11	111	2-13	4-18	37-70	30-59	37-70
47034272 R-M269	17-40	25-52	2-13	2-13	111	1-11	37-70	30-59	37-70
47173224 R-M269	20-45	28-57	4-18	4-18	1-11	111	40-75	30-59	37-70
54332621 R-A10727	18-42	28-57	37-70	37-70	37-70	40-75	111	25-52	31-62
70045411 R-M269	15-37	23-49	30-59	30-59	30-59	30-59	25-52	111	7-23
39499302 R-A7755	21-47	26-54	37-70	37-70	37-70	37-70	31-62	7-23	111
Tightly Related Related Probably Related Possibly Related Remote

Phylogenetic Tree / Analysis Diagrams Back to top

See the Archives page for older diagrams. The diagram below shows a vertical calendar on the right edge, starting from 200 C.E. This is a timeline of SNP formation dates. (The calendar at the top of this page shows TMRCA estimates.) If you need a refresher on the difference between the two, refer to the tutorial, part 3, at or about question #27. Several SNP streams might say mutations not yet identified or mutation date unknown. These remind us that there are tremendous gaps in what we know. Mutations not yet identified means the project expects considerably further SNP definition along the stream. Mutation date unknown is shown with a dashed line. It means we don't how to pin an SNP formation date precisely to the timeline bar on the right side of the diagram.