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Conflicts in the Haplogroups of the Dennis Driskell Kinsale line

1: Project member 60005131 tests descent from Elijah (1772), son of Elgate (1736), son of Moses (1689), son of Dennis (1660, Ireland). This member and three non participating matches test descent from Elgate through three of Elgate's sons.

This member and his patriline matches fall under R-CTS3386.

2: Project member 23185374 tests descent from John (1814), son of Elijah (1778), son of Timothy (1749), son of Dennis (1725), son of Dennis (1660, Ireland). A non-participating match to this project member tests descent from Henry Thomas (1789, Breckenridge Co KY), son of David (1844), son of Andrew (1820, Mercer Co), son of Elijah (1778).

This member and his patriline matches fall under R-DF27 > CTS422.

These two haplogroups are not genetic matches.

Genetic Cheat Sheet

The DNA results below will be labeled [1] or [2] depending on where their genetics lie, in accordance with the two groups labeled above.

• Denis b.c. 1660 l. Kinsale d. Maryland
  • Moses b.c. 1689 Maryland m. Katherine ELGATE
    • William b.c. 1719 Maryland m. Rachel BARONET
      • Moses b.c. 1770 Maryland m. Margaret JOYNER
        • Dennis b. 1806 Virginia m. Mary Caldwell
          • Elijah Archibald Elget b. 1837 Georgia [1] Project member not actively participating
    • Elgate b.c. 1736 Maryland m. Naomi
      • George b.c. 1760 Maryland
        • Isaac Francis [1] Project member not actively participating
      • John b. 1769 Maryland
        • Allen Trimble b. 1814 m. Julia SMULLEN
          • Isaac Francis [1] Project member not actively participating
        • Lewis b.c. 1820 Ohio
          • John Henry b. 1845 Ohio
            • Isaac Francis b. 1885 Ohio A descendant of Isaac submitted a yDNA sample believed to be consistent with [1] to the now defunct Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation. The Driscoll project does not have those results or further info.
      • Elijah b. 1772 Maryland
        • [1] See 60005131 for further details.
  • Dennis b. 1698 Maryland. d. aft. 1740 North Carolina m. Mary Margaret THATCHER
    • Timothy b. 1749 Granville North Carolina m. Priscilla DOBBINS
      • Elijah b. 1778 North Carolina m. Annie SPRINGATE
        • John Jackson b. 1814 Mercer Co Kentucky m. Drucilla PRATHER
          • Luther Thomas b. 1845 m. Mary SMITH [2] See 23185374 for further details.
        • Andrew M. b. 1820 Kentucky
          • David b. 1844 Kentucky
            • Henry Thomas [2] Project member not actively participating.

Resolution

For haplogroup [1], we only have descendants of Moses (1689) known to have tested, through three different sons of Moses.

For haplogroup [2], we only have descendants of Dennis (1698) known to have tested, through only one of his sons Timothy.

The best yDNA donors to help further resolve the conflict would be:

• Patriline descendants of brothers of Moses (1689) and Dennis (1698).

• Patriline descendants of any other sons of Dennis (1698). If that is not possible, patriline descendants of brothers of Timothy (1749).

There is no assurance the ideal patriline donors exist.

For both haplogroups, we need resolution back in Ireland within the last 400 years (from the early 17th century). Both haplogroups are currently Driscoll outliers.

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